White, Lyman

Army

"…my hero … in life has been and always will be that 18, 19-year-old kid that goes forward when somebody's shooting at him-- not because he wants to, but because he's trained and he's disciplined and he does it. They've done it in every war, and they did it in this war too. And just as well, I think, as they've done in other wars."

Description of Interview:

Lyman White received his US Army commission from West Point, class of 1961. After airborne training, Ranger school, and the officer basic course at Fort Benning, he was assigned to the 82nd Airborne as a platoon leader at Fort Bragg. He went through the MATA (Military Assistance Training Advisor) course, and had language training at Monterey before he deployed for the first time to Vietnam in 1964 as an assistant battalion adviser with the ARVN 33rd Rangers. White returned to the U.S. as a captain and taught at West Point for four years before returning to Vietnam for a second tour, this time with the 1st Battalion, 52nd Infantry Regiment, 198th Light Infantry Brigade, Americal Division, “which did not have a very good reputation at the time.” By then a major, White remembers arriving to find “a lot of ragbag troops sitting around … that I didn't know we had in the Army.” But that was the rear. In the bush, he recalls, these were “good kids,” led by “some of the finest Soldiers in the Army.” White offers insights on leadership: “He could listen, and would listen, whether you were a lieutenant, a sergeant, or a lieutenant colonel, and … he would absorb what you said and he would factor that into his thinking process of what he wanted to do next. And that was an amazing trait. That's not battlefield valor and all that, but that's a mark, I think, of a good leader.” He discusses the ingenuity of the American GI (blowing up rats with Claymores), focusing on body count (“important up the chain of command,” but “not a very pleasant subject to talk about”), briefing a new division commander (“I'm running my mouth, telling him all about this brigade area and everything, and he'd spent a year there as a brigade commander”). He also discusses the difficulty of losing friends, and the two anchors in his life: West Point and his wife.

Key Words: West Point, class of ’61, Fort Benning, Airborne, Ranger, Fort Bragg, 82nd Airborne, MATA, the Presidio, Monterey, Tay Ninh province, South Vietnamese Rangers, adviser, Majestic Hotel, Tay Ninh, Nui Ba Den, Michelin Rubber Plantation, Special Forces Camp Suoi Da, Cao Dai religion, Chi Lang National Training Center, Cambodian Communist Battalion, Seven Mountains, DEROS, 198th Brigade, Americal Division, My Lai, Shake 'n Bake NCOs, General Abrams, Distinguished Service Cross (DFC), Claymore mine, Chu Lai, Aussies, Korean Tiger Division, Fire Support Base Mary Ann
 
Key Names: Bob Sykes, Bernard Fall, James Gordon “Bo” Gritz, Captain John Ramsey, Brigadier General Charles E. “Charlie” Getz, General William R. “Bill” Richardson, Rufus Smith, Major General James L. Baldwin, General Frederick J. “Fritz” Kroesen, Lieutenant General John H. Hay, General William E. DePuy, General Creighton W. Abrams, Jr., General Norman Schwartzkopf, General Mark Brown, Roger Donlon, Mike Island, Max Hastings
 
Interview Date:
June 11, 2019
 
Service Date:
1961-1990
 
Unit: 
33rd Rangers (ARVN) and 1/52 Infantry, 198th LIB, Americal Division
 
Specialty:
Ranger assistant battalion adviser
 
Service Location:

III Corps, Phuoc Tuy province, Tay Ninh

 
 

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